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Uniform requirement

Post by Lionclaws » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:07 pm

Troops,

We really want this to be authentic:

EDIT: after some extensive back and forth with John here are the uniform and weapon rules/guidelines. If you have questions after reading this, post a note in this thread.

Weapons:

The strong preference is that US/ARVN use NATO weapons (M16, M1 carbine, M14, M60, BAR) and NVA use Communist Block weapons (AK-47, SKS, M91-30/K98/Swedish K style bolt action, RPK) and VC are able to use a mix (M16, M1 carbine, M14, AK-47, SKS, M91-30/K98/Swedish K style bolt action, Thompson, MP40 - no RPK or M60 or BAR).

That said, if you do not own and cannot borrow one of those weapons to match the above, use of any of these weapons by any player is OK.

Substitution of M4 for M16 is OK, no red dots or holographic sights, scopes, etc. should be mounted on these. if a fixed buttstock and/or regular handguards are possible even better.

Uniforms:

GI: four-pocket OD jungle fatigue/cargo pants, black or jungle boots, M1956/M1967 loadout, helmet.

SF/LRRP: US Jungle Tiger strip, otherwise same as GI except tiger stripe boonie hats instead of helmets.

Marine: same as GI except with flak jacket if possible.

ARVN: 2 pocket OG-107 shirt and pants (no cargo pants), M1956/M1967 loadout, black boots, helmet.

ARVN Ranger: OG-107 shirt and pants (no cargo pants) or ARVN camo (can substitute of woodland BDU), M1956/M1967 loadout, black boots.

ARVN Marine: US Jungle Tiger strip, otherwise same as GI except black boots, helmet.

NVA: two pocket type khaki or green shirt and straight pants (no cargo pants), khaki or green sun helmet or wide rimmed boonie hat, AK chest rig (not modern), NVA combat boots or Ho Chi Min sandals.

VC: Black pajama top/pants, black boonie, AK chest rig (not modern) and/or pieces of other load bearing gear, rice hat OK (if used must be able to hide weapon like real world).

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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by GregBrothers » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:26 pm

some info
Weapons of the PAVN/NLF

AK-47 and AKM assault rifles (from the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries)
Type 56 assault rifle (from the People's Republic of China)
SKS semi-automatic carbine, also known as Simonov
Vz. 58 assault rifle
Type 99 Rifle captured from the Japanese during WWII
SVD-63 semi-automatic marksman rifle, also known as the "Dragunov" sniper rifle
Mosin–Nagant bolt-action rifles and carbines (from the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact countries, and the People's Republic of China)
Mauser Kar98k bolt-action rifle (many of the Mausers used by the VPA and the NLF were from rifles captured from the French during the First Indochina War and rifles provided to them by the Soviets as military aid)
Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle (captured by the Soviets during World War II and provided to the VPA and the NLF as military aid)
Tokarev TT-33 - Soviet designed double/single action 7.62x25mm semi-automatic pistol. More commonly used were the Chinese variants of the T33, known as the Type-51 and Type-54. Carried by NVA and Viet-Cong officers, it accepted an 8 round single stack box magazine.[14]
Makarov PM - Soviet designed double/single action 9x18mm Makarov (9.5x18mm) semi-automatic pistol. Reproduced in China as the Type-59, this small and reliable pistol became the standard sidearm of communist forces in Europe and Asia. Utilizing a simple blow-back action, this self-loading pistol fed from an 8 round single stack box magazine.[14]
P-64 CZAK handgun
Nagant M1895 revolver
Mauser C96 handgun
CZ 52 handgun
Type 14 8 mm Nambu Pistol Pistol (Captured From The Japanese) Used By North Vietnamese officers
K-50M submachine gun (Vietnamese edition, based on Chinese version of Russian PPSh-41, under licence)
PPSh-41 submachine gun (both Soviet and Chinese versions)
MAT-49 submachine gun
PM-63 RAK submachine gun
Type 99 LMG
RPD light machine gun
Degtyarev DP light machine gun
RPK light machine gun
MG-34 light machine gun (captured by the Soviets during World War II and provided to the VPA and the NLF as military aid)
MG-42 light machine gun (captured by the Soviets during World War II and provided to the VPA and the NLF as military aid)
Uk vz. 59 general-purpose machine gun
DShK heavy machine gun
PM M1910 heavy machine gun
MP40 submachine gun (captured by the Soviets during World War II and provided to the VPA and the NLF as military aid)
PPS-43 submachine gun
F1 grenade
RG-42 grenade
RGD-5 grenade
Type 63 assault rifle
PK machine gun


Weapons of the ARVN, US, South Korean, Australian, and New Zealand Forces

Pistols & revolvers[edit]
Browning High Power pistol - used by Australian and New Zealand forces. Also used on an unofficial basis by US Reconnaissance and Special Forces units.
Smith & Wesson Mark 22 Mod.0 "Hush Puppy" - Suppressed pistol used by SEALs, among others
Colt M1911A1 - It was the main side arm of the US Army and other countries except the ones in the Commonwealth.
Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless - Carried by General Officers, but it was replaced by the Colt Commander in the Mid-60s
Colt Commander - Replaced the Colt M1903 pistol in the mid-60s
Smith & Wesson Model 15 (USAF M15) - carried by USAF Security Police Units
Smith & Wesson Model 12 - Given to helicopter pilots
M1917 revolver - Used by the South Vietnamese and US forces during the beginning of the war alongside the Smith & Wesson Model 10
High Standard HDM - It was replaced by the Smith & Wesson Model 39 as the main suppressed pistol because of its caliber
Walther PPK with suppressor - It was used by Special Forces and spies
Infantry rifles[edit]
L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle - Used by Australian and New Zealand soldiers in Vietnam


A U.S. soldier with an M14 watches as supplies are dropped in Vietnam, 1967.
M1 Garand - Was used by the Marine Corps during the early stages of the war. Also used by the South Vietnamese, South Koreans and Laotians
M1 carbine and M2 Carbine- Were widely used by the South Vietnamese Military, Police and Security Forces, the Viet Cong, and the US Military.
M14 rifle It was issued to most troops from the early stages of the war until the late 1960s when it was replaced by the M16.[12]
M16 and M16A1 - The M16 was issued in the late 1960s, but due to reliability issues, it was replaced by the M16A1 which added the forward assist and chrome-lined barrel to the rifle for increased reliability.[13]
XM177E2 - Shortened version of the M16 rifle very popular with MACV-SOG units
Heckler & Koch HK33 - It was used by Thai forces that were not armed by the United States. It was chambered for the same cartridge as the M16 assault rifle used by American troops.
T223 - which is a copy of the Heckler & Koch HK33 Assault Rifle under license by Harrington & Richardson used in small numbers by Navy SEAL teams. Even though the empty H&R T223 was 0.9 pounds (0.41 kg) heavier than an empty M16A1, the weapon had a forty-round magazine available for it and this made it attractive to the SEALS.
Submachine guns[edit]
Thompson submachine gun - It was used in small quantities by artillery and helicopter units. Even though it was replaced in the end of the Korean war after serving in WW2, it was still used by many American troops and South Vietnamese troops in the Vietnam war. The Viet Cong were armed with the Chinese copy.
M3 Grease gun - The M3 "Grease gun" was issued to troops all over Vietnam was the main submachine gun, but many others were used such as the Thompson which was replaced later on.
Swedish K - It was used by Navy SEALs in the beginning of the war, but was later replaced by the Smith & Wesson M76 in the late 1960s. Many South Vietnamese soldiers were armed with this weapon and used it until the end of the war.
Smith & Wesson M76 - A copy of the Swedish K, it replaced that gun as the main submachine gun of the Navy SEALs in 1967.
Madsen M-50 - It was supplied by mercenaries from Denmark and a lot were bought by the United States for the South Vietnamese Army.
MAC-10 It was supplied to many special forces troops in the midpoint of the war. It armed many CIA agents in the field and was sometimes captured by the Viet Cong.
MP 40 (CIDG)
Uzi (SOG recon teams) The Uzi submachine gun was supplied in from Israel and given to special forces troops in the field.
Owen Gun (Australian submachine gun) It served the Australian Army through WWII, Korea, Malaya and now into the Vietnam War as the main submachine gun. It was later replaced by the F1 submachine gun that resembled it.
F1 submachine gun (Australian, replaced Owen Gun)
Sterling submachine gun a variant of the British Sterling used by the SASR for prisoner extraction also used with Suppressor/Silencer.
Sten submachine gun - This weapon was used by Special Forces troops with silencers attached to the weapon's barrel.
Shotguns[edit]
The shotguns were used as an individual weapon during jungle patrol; infantry units were authorized a shotgun by TO & E (Table of Organization & Equipment). Shotguns were not general issue to all infantrymen, but were select issue, such as one per squad, etc.
Winchester Model 1912 pump-action shotgun was used by the Marines during the early stages of the war.
Ithaca 37 pump-action shotgun replaced every other shotgun in the field and armed the United States Marine Corps throughout the war.
Remington Model 870 pump-action shotgun used by the Marines
Special Operations Weapon a modification for a Remington 1100 which made it fully automatic
Remington 11-48 semi-automatic shotgun used by the Marines in small quantities
Winchester Model 1897 used by the Marines during the early stages of the war, but was later replaced by the Ithaca 37
Stevens Model 77E, pump-action shotgun used by Army and Marine forces in Southeast Asia. Almost 70,000 Model 77Es were procured by the military for use in SE Asia during the 1960s
Machine guns[edit]
L2A1 AR - Full-automatic capable version of the L1A1 SLR used by ANZAC forces
Stoner M63a Commando & Mark 23 Mod.0 - used by U.S. Navy SEALs and tested by Force Recon
M60 machine gun GPMG (General Purpose Machine Gun) It was the main machine gun of the US army at the time and many of them were put on helicopters
M1918A2 Browning Automatic Rifle - Issued to troops during the early stages of the war, but was replaced by the Stoner 63 and M60 machine guns.
M1917 Browning machine gun - A .30cal heavy machine gun issued to some machine gunners in the South Vietnamese Army and also in limited use by the US Army.
M1919 Browning machine gun - Was used on platforms such as boats, Jeeps, and tanks early in the war, but was replaced by the M2 .50cal.
Browning M2HB .50cal Heavy Machine Gun
Grenades and mines[edit]


Claymore anti-personnel mine in use in Vietnam
Mark 2 Fragmentation Hand/Rifle Grenade
M61 Fragmentation Hand Grenade
M34 white phosphorus grenade is a smoke grenade that uses white phosphorus, which, when in contact with air ignites and creates white smoke. The white phosphorus was also a useful way to dislodge the Viet Cong from tunnels or other enclosed spaces as the burning white phosphorus absorbs oxygen, causing the victims to suffocate or suffer serious burns.
M18 grenade Smoke Hand Grenade
Claymore M18A1 - An anti-personnel mine
M67 grenade
Grenade launchers[edit]
M79 grenade launcher-Used throughout the war by designated grenadiers of the U.S. military.
M203 grenade launcher - Used late in the war by special forces.
China Lake Grenade Launcher - A pump-action grenade launcher used by U.S. Navy SEALs
XM148 grenade launcher - Used in combination with XM177E2
Mk.19 Automatic Grenade Launcher
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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by HFritz » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:49 pm

last Hac Bao similar weapons to those in the period were allowed. is that the case for this event?

I.e. for US any M4/M16 version was allowed as a substitute for the M16, as long as it did not have an eotech, red dot, outrageous rails, etc.

Also, as long as it was an allowed weapon, anyone was allowed to use it regardless of team. for example, a GI could use an AK47.

in addition, later in the war NVA went to green uniforms and sun hats. is that allowed? or is this to portray early to mid-periods of the war?
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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by Raptor » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:48 pm

I want to know if M1967 gear is a suitable replacement for the M1956 stuff. Canvas+wet environments= bad juju.

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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by Regiment » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:03 pm

GregBrothers wrote:some info
Excellent post!

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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by HFritz » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:26 pm

updated first post in this thread with the rules/guidelines pertaining to weapons and uniforms. if you still have questions after reading that, post a note here.
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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by Brenda » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:10 am

Just in case someone doesn't have all the gear and or rifle I have extra USArmy and USMC gear/uniforms that will fit most folks that are about 6 foot tall and 200lbs or less. I also have web gear and M-1955 frag vests as well. Several M-16 rifles and a M-60 LMG as well. All of these are free to lone but first come first serve. I might even lone out my WE M-14 with 10 mags to the right person.

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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by Kua1996 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:03 am

I have a M72A2 LAW that is from http://legvi.tripod.com/armamentarium/id89.html Would this be legal for VC?

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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by Tryx » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:15 pm

Is there a reason why VC cannot run period correct SAW but US and NVA can?
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Re: Uniform requirement

Post by usmctien » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:53 pm

As a reminder only Commissioned Officers had the four pocket khaki blouse whereas the enlisted had the tuck in two pocket shirt. The ChiCom three pocket chest rig is period correct whereas the four pocket was introduced after the fall of Saigon. Lots of capture USGI gear was used by the VC militia as well.
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